From gnuorder at tampabay.rr.com Wed Aug 28 17:19:01 2002 From: gnuorder at tampabay.rr.com (GNUOrder) Date: Wed Aug 28 17:19:01 2002 Subject: post Message-ID: <200208270354.g7R3sXcB014491@smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com> gnuorder at tampabay.rr.com From rminnich at lanl.gov Wed Aug 28 17:21:58 2002 From: rminnich at lanl.gov (Ronald G Minnich) Date: Wed Aug 28 17:21:58 2002 Subject: linuxbios In-Reply-To: <10F0E58C0018054484E329DC494C4D7F02E955@mexper1.maptek.net.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, John Usher (Maptek) wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronald G Minnich [mailto:rminnich at lanl.gov] > Sent: Monday, 26 August 2002 9:44 PM > To: John Usher (Maptek) > Subject: Re: linuxbios > > > > what chipset? > > its using the 82443BX chipset > > > you should talk to me, as support for multiple superio's has been in > there > > for a year, but not everybody knows it. i can set up a > > src/mainboard/emcore/i6352 directory for you and you can start > building on > > that. You may have to redo some of your patches but we would REALLY > > appreciate it! > > I'm sure I will have to redo my patches, especially for the memory init, > as I have substantially broken that at the moment! ;-) > I have had this basically working for 8 months now (plus a month to get > it working in the first place) and I'm looking forward to getting it > back into the source! > > I never checked it out of CVS, so I'm not sure whether a 'cvs diff -r > HEAD' will work, or even if I can do one.... > > ...John... to check out from cvs ... cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.freebios.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/freebios login cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous at cvs.freebios.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/freebios co freebios You really should try to work from CVS if you possibly can, so you can keep current. Thanks! ron From rminnich at lanl.gov Wed Aug 28 17:22:00 2002 From: rminnich at lanl.gov (Ronald G Minnich) Date: Wed Aug 28 17:22:00 2002 Subject: Suport for the Gigabit GA-6BXE Message-ID: As I see, there is a posibility to use LinuxBIOS with the Gigabit GA-6BXC series mainboard. I have GA-6BXE so here's my question: how about installing LinuxBIOS on this mainboard. Could I use the files from GA-6BXC to my model ? If not, when (if its possible) is going to be suport for this. I think, that it's no much difference, between this models (am I wrong ?) Albeiro From rminnich at lanl.gov Wed Aug 28 17:22:02 2002 From: rminnich at lanl.gov (Ronald G Minnich) Date: Wed Aug 28 17:22:02 2002 Subject: Fwd: BOUNCE linuxbios@listserv.lanl.gov: Approval required: Message-ID: <0208270931290A.09837@xed> Greetings, Very intrigued by your work and love the results. It seems to me that mainboard vendors will not be helpful in any way toward this work per your note re: Intel and their newer chipsets. That being my general take on the situation, do you folks know anyone even *beginning* to deal with ServerWorks/SuperMicro boards? Specifically this one: http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/MotherBoards/GC_LE/P4DL6.htm I want to contribute to your efforts with this board, but don't even know where to begin yet. If anyone is working on this general species, I'd love to know so I can get a head start. Even better, if someone is willing to figure it out and make it work for $, please send them my way. Many thanks, Eff Norwood From rminnich at lanl.gov Wed Aug 28 17:22:04 2002 From: rminnich at lanl.gov (Ronald G Minnich) Date: Wed Aug 28 17:22:04 2002 Subject: Fwd: BOUNCE linuxbios@listserv.lanl.gov: Approval required: Message-ID: <0208270932030B.09837@xed> Hello, List, I need the following clarification about the LinuxBios boot up information 1. Can LinuxBios boot from CDROM? 2. Can LinuxBios boot from a SCSI Disk? 3. Does anybody have a FAQ or collected information about how the LinuxBios bootup sequence works? Thanks, Balbir Singh. From rminnich at lanl.gov Wed Aug 28 17:22:06 2002 From: rminnich at lanl.gov (Ronald G Minnich) Date: Wed Aug 28 17:22:06 2002 Subject: Fwd: linuxbios Message-ID: <0208270940490E.09837@xed> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: linuxbios Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:19:53 +0800 From: "John Usher (Maptek)" To: G'day... I have been working on getting LinuxBIOS running on an Arbor EmCore i6352 Single Board Computer, http://www.arbor.com.tw/mini/emcore-i6352.htm and currently have the BIOS working well booting the Linux kernel off of a special partition on a flash IDE drive on the motherboard. I am currently looking into the changes I have made to LinuxBIOS to merge my changes into the latest so I can submit them. The main changes I have had to make are to do with on-board memory and multiple onboard superio chips, and initialisation of the onboard graphics adapter in the simplest fashion possible. The company I work for is looking at getting this software into a new embedded product which will be used for resource tracking. ...John... John Usher Software Engineer Maptek Pty Ltd Level 4 200 Adelaide Tce Perth WA 6024 Australia Ph: +61-8-6211-0000 Fax: +61-8-6211-0011 ------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From per at computer.org Wed Aug 28 17:22:08 2002 From: per at computer.org (Per Jessen) Date: Wed Aug 28 17:22:08 2002 Subject: up and running (i think).. Message-ID: <3D578F26001DFF33@freesurfmta02.sunrise.ch> (added by postmaster@freesurf.ch) just testing - haven't seen any traffic since Monday. /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped. From rminnich at lanl.gov Wed Aug 28 17:22:09 2002 From: rminnich at lanl.gov (Ronald G Minnich) Date: Wed Aug 28 17:22:09 2002 Subject: NEW: support for the pcchips m830lr. Message-ID: Thanks to cwlinux.com and Andrew Ip, we now have support for the m830lr! It is committed and in the repository. ron From ebiederman at lnxi.com Wed Aug 28 17:22:10 2002 From: ebiederman at lnxi.com (Eric W Biederman) Date: Wed Aug 28 17:22:10 2002 Subject: [COMMIT] mkelfImage-1.15... Message-ID: O.k. At: ftp://ftp.lnxi.com/pub/src/mkelfImage/mkelfImage-1.15.tar.gz and in cvs mkelfImage-1.15 is out. The changes: * 1.15 23 August 2002 - Rewrote the perl ip checksum code to be reasonably fast - Fixes to the initial parameter passing in head.S thanks to Jake Page - Initial cross compiling support thanks to Jake Page - Official specfile thanks to Andrew Ip - Autoconf support Josh Aune rpms can be built with: rpm -ta mkelfImage-1.15.tar.gz The big changes are the ability to build as an RPM, and mkelfImage is now reasonably fast again. Eric From rminnich at lanl.gov Wed Aug 28 17:22:13 2002 From: rminnich at lanl.gov (Ronald G Minnich) Date: Wed Aug 28 17:22:13 2002 Subject: testing Message-ID: also, are you all sending to linuxbios at clustermatic.org ron From rminnich at lanl.gov Wed Aug 28 17:23:01 2002 From: rminnich at lanl.gov (Ronald G Minnich) Date: Wed Aug 28 17:23:01 2002 Subject: testing Message-ID: ron From rminnich at lanl.gov Wed Aug 28 18:12:00 2002 From: rminnich at lanl.gov (Ronald G Minnich) Date: Wed Aug 28 18:12:00 2002 Subject: up and running (i think).. In-Reply-To: <3D578F26001DFF33@freesurfmta02.sunrise.ch> (added by postmaster@freesurf.ch) Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Per Jessen wrote: > just testing - haven't seen any traffic since Monday. it was busted but now is fixed. ron From rminnich at lanl.gov Wed Aug 28 18:13:00 2002 From: rminnich at lanl.gov (Ronald G Minnich) Date: Wed Aug 28 18:13:00 2002 Subject: Fwd: BOUNCE linuxbios@listserv.lanl.gov: Approval required: (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:32:03 -0600 From: Ronald G Minnich To: linuxbios at clustermatic.org Subject: Fwd: BOUNCE linuxbios at listserv.lanl.gov: Approval required: Hello, List, I need the following clarification about the LinuxBios boot up information 1. Can LinuxBios boot from CDROM? 2. Can LinuxBios boot from a SCSI Disk? 3. Does anybody have a FAQ or collected information about how the LinuxBios bootup sequence works? Thanks, Balbir Singh. _______________________________________________ Linuxbios mailing list Linuxbios at clustermatic.org http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios From rminnich at lanl.gov Wed Aug 28 18:13:02 2002 From: rminnich at lanl.gov (Ronald G Minnich) Date: Wed Aug 28 18:13:02 2002 Subject: Suport for the Gigabit GA-6BXE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Ronald G Minnich wrote: > As I see, there is a posibility to use LinuxBIOS with the Gigabit GA-6BXC > series mainboard. I have GA-6BXE so here's my question: how about > installing LinuxBIOS on this mainboard. Could I use the files from GA-6BXC > to my model ? If not, when (if its possible) is going to be suport for > this. I think, that it's no much difference, between this models (am I > wrong ?) send us the output of lspci ron From rminnich at lanl.gov Wed Aug 28 19:57:00 2002 From: rminnich at lanl.gov (Ronald G Minnich) Date: Wed Aug 28 19:57:00 2002 Subject: [PATCH] m830lr support In-Reply-To: <20020828183911.A1380@mail.cwlinux.com> Message-ID: I just turned on the M810 motherboard I got from cwlinux.com which came delivered with an DoC with linuxbios, linux, and a root file system. with 512 MB in two slots, it is about 5 seconds from turnon to a screen, and about 10 seconds to a login prompt. Very impressive. Andrew, from here I assume that if I had an IDE drive I would mount it and pivot_root? This is really neat! ron From postcode at bioscentral.com Wed Aug 28 21:42:00 2002 From: postcode at bioscentral.com (PostCode) Date: Wed Aug 28 21:42:00 2002 Subject: Ron Minnich Message-ID: <003001c24efe$25358780$7200a8c0@eric> Hello, I could not find an email address or other method of contacting you so I am attemting to do so through this mailing list. My name is Eric and I own www.bioscentral.com. I noticed you had some mailing list issues and would like to know if you would like to have some forums made up for your use. As it is, I have forums for users to post questions to for some help with their BIOS issues. Although the site tailored to present BIOS's, i.e., AMI, Phoenix, Award, etc.. I can easily add forums for your use. Whatever you would want. If your interested in it, just let me know. Bios Central is a free site. The advertising on the pages is free as well. I make no money from any aspect of the site. I'm not sure if this would be a problem, but the entire site is free for anyone to use. I ask for no money or any other type of compensation. I'm just trying to lend a hand in your development of the LinuxBIOS. Bios Central is going on three years now. The original forums were pulled and these were installed in place of them. The original server that the site was located on did an upgrade that effectively torched the forums. Lost over 5000 messages as a result. It's current home in with a very reliable company that has excellent tech support. Great bunch of people. Anyway, it's been rock stable since moving last March. Not one issue. Feel free to contact me at postcode@*NOSPAM*bioscentral.com is you have any questions. I'm not sure if I'll recieve a reply through this mailing list as this is my first mailing list I've subscribed to. Eric www.bioscentral.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gregg C Levine drwho8 at worldnet.att.net "How many floors does this TARDIS of yours have, anyway?" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Jessen" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: Re: up and running (i think).. > just testing - haven't seen any traffic since Monday. > > /Per > > regards, > Per Jessen, Zurich > http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. > > Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped. > > > _______________________________________________ > Linuxbios mailing list > Linuxbios at clustermatic.org > http://www.clustermatic.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxbios > From aip at cwlinux.com Wed Aug 28 23:15:00 2002 From: aip at cwlinux.com (Andrew Ip) Date: Wed Aug 28 23:15:00 2002 Subject: [PATCH] m830lr support In-Reply-To: ; from rminnich@lanl.gov on Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 06:03:33PM -0600 References: <20020828183911.A1380@mail.cwlinux.com> Message-ID: <20020829102017.C10303@mail.cwlinux.com> Ron, > I just turned on the M810 motherboard I got from cwlinux.com which came > delivered with an DoC with linuxbios, linux, and a root file system. > > with 512 MB in two slots, it is about 5 seconds from turnon to a screen, > and about 10 seconds to a login prompt. Very impressive. > > Andrew, from here I assume that if I had an IDE drive I would mount it and > pivot_root? Actually the kernel doesn't include ide driver because we want to speed up the boot process. However, it does support nfs if you need to mount something from the network. Since everything is based on uClibc and busybox, you need to do $ mount -o nolock hostname:/data /data to mount nfs volume. -Andrew -- Andrew Ip Email: aip at cwlinux.com Tel: (852) 2542 2046 Fax: (852) 2542 2036 Mobile: (852) 9201 9866 Cwlinux Limited Unit 202B 2/F Lai Cheong Factory Building, 479-479A Castle Peak Road, Lai Chi Kok, Kowloon, Hong Kong(SAR), China. Tel: (852)2542 2046 Fax: (852)2542 2036 For public pgp key, please obtain it from http://www.keyserver.net/en. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Really neat. ron From aip at cwlinux.com Wed Aug 28 23:57:00 2002 From: aip at cwlinux.com (Andrew Ip) Date: Wed Aug 28 23:57:00 2002 Subject: [PATCH] m830lr support In-Reply-To: ; from rminnich@lanl.gov on Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 09:35:22PM -0600 References: <20020829102017.C10303@mail.cwlinux.com> Message-ID: <20020829120312.A12046@mail.cwlinux.com> Ron, > Andrew, I might try putting IDE modules on there. In the limit this could > be a very powerful boot environment. If I have kexec and other drivers, > this could be the path to having a motherboard which lets you load linux > on a raw IDE disk, etc. Or would you send me the list of kernel features and programs which you want, so that I can make a default image. Current image comes with iptables, squid and http server and mainly for router. For those who want to check out the images, you can get them at ftp://ftp.cwlinux.com/pub/downloads/linuxbios-sdk/docimages To simplify the flash process, the image tarball comes with all required programs, eg flash_on, flash_bios.sh... You just need to run ./flash_lb.sh to flash doc. Also, I have also built some kernel rpm with mtd/doc support by default. It should be able to detect DOC with no hussle. Kernels are at ftp://ftp.cwlinux.com/pub/downloads/linuxbios-sdk/kernel/2.4.19 -Andrew -- Andrew Ip Email: aip at cwlinux.com Tel: (852) 2542 2046 Fax: (852) 2542 2036 Mobile: (852) 9201 9866 Cwlinux Limited Unit 202B 2/F Lai Cheong Factory Building, 479-479A Castle Peak Road, Lai Chi Kok, Kowloon, Hong Kong(SAR), China. Tel: (852)2542 2046 Fax: (852)2542 2036 For public pgp key, please obtain it from http://www.keyserver.net/en. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This would fill in the missing link! ron From ebiederman at lnxi.com Thu Aug 29 02:12:01 2002 From: ebiederman at lnxi.com (Eric W Biederman) Date: Thu Aug 29 02:12:01 2002 Subject: LinuxBIOS Bootup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Balbir Singh writes: > > Hello, List, > > I need the following clarification about the LinuxBios boot up > information > > 1. Can LinuxBios boot from CDROM? > 2. Can LinuxBios boot from a SCSI Disk? Yes. But the drivers have not yet been written. > 3. Does anybody have a FAQ or collected information about how the > LinuxBios > bootup sequence works? Not especially as this is a work in progress, at the moment. The design: - All booting under LinuxBIOS will load standalone executables that do not need BIOS calls to access the hardware - Information will be passed in the LinuxBIOS table to the loaded kernel. - The LinuxBIOS core will have a dumb bootloader with one hardware driver and it will load static ELF executables, this is to prevent feature bloat. - Either the LinuxBIOS core loads the final kernel, or it loads a bootloader. - Either the bootloader is stupid and scans ~= the first 8K of a device looking for an ELF image to boot, or it is smart and parses filesystems. On the side of stupid bootloaders, I have just finished enhancing the development version of etherboot: http://www.etherboot.org So that it has allows the specification of a boot order, (compile time, run time or a cmos option). This supports quite a few NICs, and IDE, and floppies. Though the code needs a little more stabalization work. The bootloader story with LinuxBIOS is a work in progress, but some good options are starting to emerge. Adam Agnew, and Ollie Lho have a forked version of etheroboot with filesystem support. The infrastructure is in place so it can probably be merged cleanly. There is work on using the kernel as a bootloader with a linux booting linux patch. I have targeted etherboot first because it can be quite small, allowing for more options in rom chips. With every driver compiled in etherboot is ~= 65KB, and with the eepro100 and the ide driver it is ~= 15KB. Eric From rminnich at lanl.gov Thu Aug 29 10:13:01 2002 From: rminnich at lanl.gov (Ronald G Minnich) Date: Thu Aug 29 10:13:01 2002 Subject: LinuxBIOS Bootup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 29 Aug 2002, Eric W Biederman wrote: > > 1. Can LinuxBios boot from CDROM? > > 2. Can LinuxBios boot from a SCSI Disk? > > Yes. But the drivers have not yet been written. Unless you boot linux from flash. If booting linux from flash, the drivers are the linux drivers. We hope to have this demo'ed on the cwlinux.com nodes in the near future. Either way, at some point, we'll be able to boot just about anything without the normal BIOS in there. ron From ebiederman at lnxi.com Thu Aug 29 14:03:00 2002 From: ebiederman at lnxi.com (Eric W Biederman) Date: Thu Aug 29 14:03:00 2002 Subject: LinuxBIOS Bootup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ronald G Minnich writes: > On 29 Aug 2002, Eric W Biederman wrote: > > > > 1. Can LinuxBios boot from CDROM? > > > 2. Can LinuxBios boot from a SCSI Disk? > > > > Yes. But the drivers have not yet been written. > > Unless you boot linux from flash. Unless you use Linux as the bootloader. Yes I agree. That code is immature enough to be significant. > If booting linux from flash, the drivers > are the linux drivers. We hope to have this demo'ed on the cwlinux.com > nodes in the near future. Using Linux as the bootloader should prove interesting. > Either way, at some point, we'll be able to boot just about anything > without the normal BIOS in there. That is the plan. Eric From P.Lister at sychron.com Fri Aug 30 11:20:00 2002 From: P.Lister at sychron.com (Peter Lister) Date: Fri Aug 30 11:20:00 2002 Subject: LinuxBIOS Bootup In-Reply-To: Your message of "29 Aug 2002 00:18:05 MDT." Message-ID: > - All booting under LinuxBIOS will load standalone executables > that do not need BIOS calls to access the hardware There's one important thing missing (though it's implied), which is that LinuxBIOS must *initialise* all the system hardware, as well as providing methods for using it. This is a step that most people don't see. My observation that this is what actually takes up much of the time (it certainly seems to create a lot of traffic on the list).