[PROPOSAL] extended payload handling

Frank frannk_m1 at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 8 12:34:00 CEST 2004

You missed the point as well!
I was not complaining or whining as you put it about not having
support for the PPC. I was complaining about the lack of support
for new users to use it for the X86 platform. Leave the "other"
processor alone and focus on what you do best, the X86 platform.
As far as I'm concerned you will _never_ have as much support
for the PPC as u-boot does and u-boot will never have the
support for the X86 as LinuxBios does. But it speaks volumes
about the readability of the code when someone switches
directions just so they don't have to go thru the pain of trying
understand your code base. I am not a novice, I have been doing
this for over 20 years. I have ported or written bootloaders for
just about every platform out there. The trick is to use the
bootloader for a particular processor that has the most traction
for a particular architecture.

--- Richard Smith <rsmith at bitworks.com> wrote:
> Frank wrote:
> > Hopefully by the time we decide to do cost reduced version,
> > LinuxBios will be usable for the masses and not just for an
> > elite group of people who assume everybody else uses the x86
> for
> > everyday use.:-(
> I think the above is a little harsh.
> As long as I've been on this list LinuxBIOS has always been
> about 
> getting dirty with the code and making it to do what you need
> it to do 
> for your specific applicaiton.  Along the way many good people
> have put 
> a _lot_ of effort into trying to take all these individual
> needs and 
> produce some sort of API that could be re-useable by the next
> person. 
> But at this level that's really hard.
> We've always known the level of documentation sucks.  If you
> ask we will 
> tell you it sucks.  Just none of the people who really know
> the core 
> have time to pull off and re-hash it.
>  From what it started with and considering the odds stacked
> against it 
> LB has make _huge_ advancements.  It x86 specific becuse
> that's what all 
> the core developers use.  For LinuxBios to make the jump to 
> multi-platform it will take an investment of developers such
> as yourself 
> getting dirty in the core and makeing it happen.  I don't
> think any of 
> the developers just "assume" the world uses x86.  x86 just
> happens to be 
> most of what thier world is right now.
> I understand your time requirements prevented you from jumping
> in on 
> this project but until _someone_ takes the initiative and
> brings LB 
> forward on non-x86 platforms it won't ever meet your "masses"
> criteria.
> So I'd suggest that if you really wanted LB available with all
> the extra 
> features for your platform you should revise your tone a bit. 
> Whiners 
> don't get the best of support from coders.

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