[PROPOSAL] extended payload handling
Hendricks David W.
dwh at lanl.gov
Tue Jun 8 14:03:01 CEST 2004
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Frank wrote:
> for new users to use it for the X86 platform. Leave the "other"
> processor alone and focus on what you do best, the X86 platform.
> As far as I'm concerned you will _never_ have as much support
> for the PPC as u-boot does and u-boot will never have the
> support for the X86 as LinuxBios does. But it speaks volumes
The objectives of the LANL people are mostly centered around clustering
and HPC, not mass production. If someone wants to experiment with PPC
clustering and sees a niche for LinuxBIOS that other BIOS options cannot
satisfy, then we do what we can to support it. We're not competing with
u-boot or trying to convert any of their users, we're merely satisfying
our own (As selfish as it sounds).
> --- Richard Smith <rsmith at bitworks.com> wrote:
> > Frank wrote:
> > > Hopefully by the time we decide to do cost reduced version,
> > > LinuxBios will be usable for the masses and not just for an
> > > elite group of people who assume everybody else uses the x86
> > for
> > > everyday use.:-(
> > I think the above is a little harsh.
> > As long as I've been on this list LinuxBIOS has always been
> > about
> > getting dirty with the code and making it to do what you need
> > it to do
> > for your specific applicaiton. Along the way many good people
> > have put
> > a _lot_ of effort into trying to take all these individual
> > needs and
> > produce some sort of API that could be re-useable by the next
> > person.
> > But at this level that's really hard.
> > We've always known the level of documentation sucks. If you
> > ask we will
> > tell you it sucks. Just none of the people who really know
> > the core
> > have time to pull off and re-hash it.
> > From what it started with and considering the odds stacked
> > against it
> > LB has make _huge_ advancements. It x86 specific becuse
> > that's what all
> > the core developers use. For LinuxBios to make the jump to
> > multi-platform it will take an investment of developers such
> > as yourself
> > getting dirty in the core and makeing it happen. I don't
> > think any of
> > the developers just "assume" the world uses x86. x86 just
> > happens to be
> > most of what thier world is right now.
> > I understand your time requirements prevented you from jumping
> > in on
> > this project but until _someone_ takes the initiative and
> > brings LB
> > forward on non-x86 platforms it won't ever meet your "masses"
> > criteria.
> > So I'd suggest that if you really wanted LB available with all
> > the extra
> > features for your platform you should revise your tone a bit.
> > Whiners
> > don't get the best of support from coders.
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