[coreboot] Intel rumers spreading??

Star Liu minxinjianxin at gmail.com
Tue Jul 1 02:18:19 CEST 2008

I agree with you very much.

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:14 AM, Jordan Crouse <jordan.crouse at amd.com> wrote:

> On 30/06/08 13:18 -0400, Joseph Smith wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:28:37 +0200, Ward Vandewege <ward at gnu.org> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:18:47AM -0400, Joseph Smith wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Maybe it is just me, but it seems like lately there have been a lot of
> > >> posts to the mailing list about, coreboot not supporting ANY Intel
> > >> chipsets/cpu's. Is there rumors spreading around the mill??? If so we
> > > need
> > >> to nip this in the bud, this is probably discouraging people that want
> > > to
> > >> get involved with coreboot.
> > >
> > > Well - look at it from the other perspective. Intel's being difficult.
> > The
> > > more obvious that becomes, the more they will be encouraged to change
> > > their
> > > ways and become more friendly and open.
> > >
> > I don't think spreading the word that coreboot does not support anything
> > Intel is a positive way to accomplish anything. It just frustrates and
> > discourages people willing to get involved. We have to face the facts
> here,
> > Intel may never get involved with coreboot, so the next best thing is to
> > get as many developers involved willing to take the time to fill in the
> > missing pieces of code. Thinking ouside of the box. This is what I did
> for
> > the i830, It might have taken me a little longer, but in the long run I
> did
> > it without any help from Intel (except for one public datasheet).
> Honesty is the best (and only) practice here.  Firmware development
> is hard - exceedingly hard, and thats with copious amounts of
> documentation.  Without documentation, it becomes nearly impossible.
> Somebody look at the Barcelona memory initialization code and tell
> me they could have figured it out on their own.  I'm thinking not.
> So we have to be blatantly obvious about what our shortcomings are.
> You can believe all you want in the power of open source, but the
> truth of the matter is that 90% of all the people who come on this list
> to ask for a particular port are not interested in doing the work
> themselves, and the precious few that are willing to do the work need to
> be told right up front what they are facing.  They need to know what
> NDAs they need to secure, what code distribution rights they need to
> ask for, and just how difficult this work really is, especially in the
> cpu/* and northbridge/* directories.
> Thats not to say that people shouldn't be encouraged to ask the right
> questions - if enough people ask a vendor for datasheets, it might
> have a positive effect.  But acting as though we are not developing
> from behind the eight ball is going to give everybody the wrong impression,
> and it will result in even more upset feelings then if we just told them
> right off the bat that they are asking for something that probably isn't
> going to happen.
> And just in case this sounds like I'm bashing the competition, know that
> my own company is in the same boat.  We have yet to release the datasheet
> for the SB600, and until we do, I'm going to be the first to tell the
> honest truth if somebody asks for it.
> Jordan
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