[coreboot] [RFC] Mailing list and IRC split
harald.gutmann at gmx.net
Wed Jun 24 16:53:23 CEST 2009
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 12:50:01 Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote:
> AFAICS the time has come to give flashrom its own mailing list (maybe
> flashrom at coreboot.org) and IRC channel (irc.freenode.net/#flashrom).
> I do realize this has been brought up in the past, but while I was
> sceptical back then, I realized that the times have changed in the last
> few months.
> The release of flashrom 0.9.0 has increased both visiblity and user
> base, resulting in a sizable portion of list and chat traffic to be
> related to flashrom.
> Some of us are only interested in coreboot, while others are only
> interested in flashrom. Since filtering mails according to subject can
> introduce lots of errors, having two separate lists would make watching
> one one of flashrom/coreboot easier.
Good idea, I also welcome the split.
> List traffic over the last few years:
> 2007: 29 mails/day
> 2008: 41 mails/day
> 2009: 36 mails/day
> Although the list traffic has not yet reached linux-kernel levels, it is
> already too much to read in full. I hope splitting the lists will allow
> people to concentrate on their personal area of interest and also
> encourage more reviews. After all, if you have to read less mails, you
> can respond to more of them.
> One issue to solve is how we want to handle flashrom success/failure
> reports sent to flashrom at coreboot.org. Right now they end up on an
> unmoderated private list. After the change, they'd get a message that
> the list is moderated. This might discourage users, so we have to think
> of a nice moderation message, possibly mentioning that emergency help
> for broken flash is available on IRC.
I also think, like Uwe, that it would be a good idea to make that messages
public. Maybe a different tag (e.g. "[Flashrom-Chips]") for that mails directly
on the flashrom list?
> The suggested way forward is outlined below:
> 1. Register #flashrom on irc.freenode.net (done)
> 2. Invite parties interested in flashrom to join #flashrom besides
> 3. Pre-Announce the mailing list split with the following text:
> "coreboot at coreboot.org will be split in two lists. flashrom at coreboot.org
> is where flashrom development and usage will be discussed.
> coreboot at coreboot.org will carry all traffic not related to flashrom.
> coreboot at coreboot.org list members will be subscribed automatically to
> flashrom at coreboot.org. If you are only interested in either coreboot or
> flashrom, feel free to unsubscribe from either list once the split is
> done." 4. Wait a week for protests etc.
> 5. Create a new mailing list flashrom at coreboot.org with the same
> subscribers as coreboot at coreboot.org.
Indeed good to move all existing users to the list.
> 6. Announce the mailing list split with the following text:
> "coreboot at coreboot.org has been split in two lists.
> flashrom at coreboot.org is where flashrom development and usage are
> discussed from now own. coreboot at coreboot.org carries all traffic not
> related to flashrom. coreboot at coreboot.org list members have been
> subscribed automatically to flashrom at coreboot.org. If you are only
> interested in either coreboot or flashrom, feel free to unsubscribe from
> either list."
> Thoughts? Flames?
Great - that's it. ;)
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