<div dir="ltr">Hi Csillag,<br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 6:58 PM, "Kristóf, Csillag" <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:csillag.kristof@gmail.com" target="_blank">csillag.kristof@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
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I am looking to build a new computer very soon, and I would like to ask for your advice about it, especially about software supports.<br>
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My requirements are the following:<br>
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1. Absolutely necessary:<br>
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1.1. It must be able to run 100% free software. No closed BIOS. No binary firmware loaded to any part of the system with meaningful access to my data. (CPU, GPU, network card, etc.) Open display drivers. (Don't care about 3D.) I don't need UEFI, thank you very much.<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't have experience with Intel motherboards.<br><br>If this sounds like I'm pushing one specific motherboard, I apologize. Rudolf Marek did a great job porting coreboot to the Asus F2A85-M board, and I bought one. I simply know the most about this board.<br>
<br>The open source radeon driver performs just fine for this board (as you mention below, yes, there is a binary blob).<br>
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1.2. It must have hardware support for AES. (For hw crypto acceleration.)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>For AMD that means you want a Bulldozer or Piledriver:<br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES_instruction_set#Supporting_CPUs_2" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES_instruction_set#Supporting_CPUs_2</a><br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piledriver_%28processor%29#2012_platforms" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piledriver_%28processor%29#2012_platforms</a><br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
1.4. It must have hardware support for virtualization.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Which specific virtualization features are you interested in? AMD CPUs should all have some virtualization capability. Coreboot + virtualization has not been tested on the F2A85-M.<br>
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1.5. It must be able to drive 3 independent display outputs, at least in 1920x1200 resolution.<br>
(Preferably all digital, but that's not necessary.)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The F2A85-M board has HDMI, DVI-D, and VGA sockets, but only works with up to 2 displays. I can confirm that all three sockets work fine with the open source radeon driver, and that dual-display works fine.<br>
<br>ASUS does do 3-display motherboards, just not this one. I think this means you'll need a discrete graphics card, as you mention in 2.1 below. Bitcoin just got ASICs so if you're the type to risk a scammer on fleabay, you could score a great deal.<br>
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1.6. I must _use_ this, in a production environment, therefore it must work. Reliably. Now. I have ~15 yrs Linux programming experience, have modified stuff inside the kernel and X drivers, and I am not afraid to have my hands dirty, but now I am not here to run a hobby project, I want to to buy something that works, so that I can do my job using it.<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Great! I understand that completely. The F2A85-M has some linux bugs:<br><br></div><div>1.6.1. The motherboard realtek r8169 gigabit NIC will lock up the system as it gets fully loaded (tested up to kernel 3.7.1). Consider picking up a cheap PCI-E NIC and ignore the on-board NIC until the bugs are well and truly fixed.<br>
<br></div><div>1.6.2. The hwmon sensors driver is still a work-in-progress with significant bugs. The stock linux kernel doesn't do anything to hwmon, which is fine for production use.<br><br></div><div>1.6.3. I'll mention that there is almost no overclocking ability just to be complete. The only thing coreboot supports is selecting the proper voltage for DDR3 RAM at compile time.<br>
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2. Would be nice:<br>
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2.1. It should only use integrated graphics. (Both Intel and AMD can do 3 displays from integrated graphics now.) If I must, I could add discrete card[s], but that increases power consumption and system size...<br></blockquote>
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2.2. Size small enough to be portable. Not planning to use in on the move; I mean portable in a (potentially huge) backpack, between several sites, where I intend to use them.<br>
- size of Intel NUC or Thin Mini-ITX mainboard are very cool,<br>
- Mini ITX is great, too,<br>
- MicroATX is acceptable<br>
- ATX seems to be too big, unless you can recommend me a really, really small case (with acceptable cooling)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The F2A85-M is a MicroATX board, for what it's worth.<br></div><div>
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2.3. Modern tech and High CPU performance. Of course :) Whatever is available...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>AMD really doesn't have anything that competes with high-end Intel CPUs.<br></div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
2.4. Low TDP, for the possibility of quite/silent cooling.<br>
- definitely under 100W,<br>
- probably at most 65W,<br>
- ideally only 45W.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>TDP for a high performance AMD CPU is ~100W. I use an aftermarket heatsink and 120mm fan, and if you're willing to get a high-end heatsink this board can be silent, even when the CPU and GPU are running at 100%.<br>
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2.5. It should be built from standard components, with standard interfaces. (So that I can replace anything later.) Notebook/Laptop stuff is hard, there is too much diversity, not enough standards. Desktop technology seems to be easiest. x86 is not a must (as long as the given arch is supported by Debian), but would be nice, since it has the most support. <br>
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Obviously, given the requirements, I am aware that I will need to forgo some of the "would be nice" bits.<br>
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If it was not for the software situation, I would go with a MoBo like Gigabyte GA-Z77MX-D3H TH (MicroATX, has 2x thunderbolt + DVI + HDMI), and with a CPU like Intel Xeon E3-1265L V2 (Quad-core with HT, 45W TDP, scores ~8800 on cpubenchmark I would not need to add a discrete video card.<br>
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If I went the AMD way, I would go with ASUS F2A85-M PRO motherboard (eyefinity enabled, with DP + DVI + HDMI + D-SUB), and AMD A10-5700 APU. (65W TDP, scores ~4500 on cpubenchmark.)<br>
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Now, if I understand correctly, the both GPU's (intel HD 4000 and Radeon HD 7660D) runs on binary firmware blobs.<br>
I have read about attempts to replace the Intel firmware with an open version, but I am not sure where it stands now.<br>
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What are my options here?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I didn't realize Intel HD 4000 uses a binary blob. That's interesting, I'm going to go research that. Cheers!<br><br>David<br></div></div></div></div>
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